The Gypsies, or Roma, or Romani (so called because of their concentration in Romania) are a far-flung distinctive population with a lot of diversity. In our database, we have samples of four Gypsy populations, plus samples for Romania, Macedonia and Hungary which you can match if you have even a small degree of Gypsy/Romani.
Gypsy DNA can sometimes be conflated or confused with Jewish DNA because both populations originated in the Middle East and often lived in the same Central European areas in modern times, but true Gypsy matches usually come with Indian, especially north Indian matches, because that's where the Gypsies lived around the 900s before they backtracked into Iran and Turkey and eventually crossed the Bosporus into Europe.
The Gypsy language, Romani, shows a strong Romanian influence but its basic vocabulary and grammar point to a north Indian origin.
The Gypsy religion, on the other hand, is not Indian or Hindu but closest to Jewish, Persian and Zoroastrian forms of monotheism.
"It is not known when or why the Gypsies left India but they were living in Iran by the tenth century AD. The Iranian poet Firdausi (c. 930-1020) wrote of the Gypsies in his epic history of the Iranians, the Shah Nama (Book of Kings), that they were originally a tribe of musicians who had been sent to the ruler of Iran by an Indian king. Once they had eaten the ruler out of house and home, the Gypsies took to the roads. By the 11th century Gypsies were living in the Byzantine empire and soon afterwards were spreading through the Balkans. When the Ottoman Turks began to overrun the Balkans in the 14th century, groups of Gypsies dispersed across western Europe, reaching Bohemia in 1399, Bavaria in 1418, Paris in 1421, Rome in 1423 and Spain in 1425. In the early 16th century Gypsies spread to Britain, Scandinavia, Poland and Russia, but the Balkans remained the main Gypsy centre." John Haywood, The Great Migrations from the Earliest Humans to the Age of Globalization (London: Quercus), p. 142.

Gypsy Migrations according to Haywood.
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Gypsy Migrations
Melungeon Riddle Solved by Autosomal DNA Project
After many years in development, the results of a DNA ancestry project enrolling 40 Melungeons were published and made public, marking the end of an attempt to solve the mystery of a Southern U.S. ethnic group with autosomal DNA.
Seeming to lay to rest an old controversy in American history about Melungeons, the scientific data supporting a genetic mixture of white, American Indian and Sub-Saharan African were placed online today by the organizers of DNA Consultants' Melungeon DNA Project.
The data report a sample of 40 Melungeons' DNA fingerprints. Population analysis of the participants' DNA fingerprints was used in an article for Appalachian Journal. Titled "Toward a Genetic Profile of Melungeons in Eastern Tennessee," the study was co-authored by Donald N. Yates, principal investigator of DNA Consultants, and Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman, a professor at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J.
"This is a giant stride forward in understanding the mixed ancestry of Melungeons," said Donald Yates, co-author. "Never before has autosomal DNA been used in attacking the problem."
The 40 participants' names were:
Anonymous, Mabel Bentley, Judy Douglas Bloom, Leah Laura Bulgariev, John (Dick) Caldwell, John R. Caldwell, Sr. (deceased), Virginia Caldwell, William Collins, Mary Goodman, Floyd Milton Grimwood (deceased), Ann Reagan Haines, Linda Barnett Hall, Nancy E. Hammes, Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman, Pat Goin Jones, Brenda LaForce, Everett LaForce, Jessica Kiely Law, Bonnie J. Lyda, N. Brent Kennedy, Richard Kennedy, Margaret E. Kross, MeriDee Orvis Mahan, Karen Mattern, Sebenia Ann Milbacher, Nicolas J. Millington, Holli Starnes Molnar, Nancy Sparks Morrison, Teresa Panther-Yates, Billy Starnes, Julia Starnes, Keely Starnes, Phyllis Starnes, Richard Stewart, Doretha J. Thornton, Kaye M. Viars, Celia Wyckoff, Wayne Winkler, Betty Yates Adams, Donald N. Yates.
Participants were qualified by their genealogies and included many names familiar to those who follow Melungeon genealogy discussion groups on the Internet, including Brent Kennedy, author of the book 1996 book that started the Melungeon Movement, his brother Richard Kennedy; Elizabeth Hirschman, a native of Kingsport, Tenn., along with several members of her family; Wayne Winkler of the Melungeon Heritage Association and author of Walking Toward the Sunset; and Nancy Morrison, creator of the online Melungeon Health referral service.
More information on DNA Consultants' Melungeon DNA Studies page.
Melungeon family in Tennessee about 1900.
Older version and abstract of "Toward a Genetic Profile of Melungeons"
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naturedoc commented on 17-Sep-2010 12:20 PM
You have a great blog! I enjoy your articles and they are well written.
Anonymous commented on 19-Sep-2010 01:28 PM
What exactly is the controversy about Melungeons? What's the big "mystery"? What can a Melungeon do with this info?
Karen Virginia commented on 11-Dec-2010 08:48 AM
Nice website:
I really don't think this should mark the end "of an attempt to solve the mystery of a Southern U.S. ethnic group with autosomal DNA" though but I tend to see this leap as one of a great beginning, and not an end.
Thanks for sharing
DJ Thornton commented on 11-May-2011 10:10 PM
This is quite a coup and I have great satisfaction in participating in this study along with many friends that became relatives over the last 10 years of researching and corresponding in discussion groups about this mystery. We all felt related and now
there is validation. I look forward to all the news that comes out of this research. I read the article in the Appalachian Journal Fall 2010 I recomend it as well search this blog to purchase
Bob Mitchell commented on 28-Sep-2011 08:51 AM
My Mother's family is from Hawkins County Tenn.I'm pretty sure we have some melungeon ancestry.I have shovel teeth,and the bump on the back of my head.My sister was diagnosed with some rare blood disease.They checked her DNA and found sub-saharan african
traits,,not real sure how much.We were always told we were part Indian.I think there's more to it than that.My mother was a Robinson.We are kin to the Lawsons,Rymores,Stapeltons Sizemores,Manis,ect.Not sure about the spelling on some of these sure names.I
want to know more about my own DNA,Heritage,and just where we come from and who are we.Richard Jessie Robinson was my Grandfather,and he raised me.But i think there was some things he never talked about.Lol! Would like to hear from other Melungeons who may
be able to help me on this path I have started down.I want to know who my people are.Anybody out there that might be able to help,or have suggestions,my e-mail is fenderbender6@yahoo.com. thank y'all.
Jo Hendren commented on 16-Nov-2011 11:05 AM
I am writing in response to Bob Mitchell's post--I was surprised to find a cousin here. Like my cousin, I have shovel teeth and a bump on the back of my head, although very small. Neither one of our grandparents talked much about their ancestors. In fact,
my grandfther told me when pressed for information that when your family had mixed blood "you didn't talk about it back then." His family tree includes Robinson, Gonce, Rimer, Manis and Couch. His wife's family included Lawson, Stapleton, Singleton, Manis
and Sizemore I've been researching this family tree for years. So many roadblocks, particularly on the Robinson side. If anyone can shed some light on Robinson migration from North Carolina to Grayson County, Virginia to Hawkins County, Tennessee I would truly
appreciate it.
Autumn Bond commented on 28-Dec-2011 03:33 AM
i am very interested in finding out for sure if i have melungeon ancesrtery. I am from sw virginia, scott county . i would like to have a DNA done. i have the bump on the back of my head , i have dark hair, dark blue eyes and rh negative blood. however
my skin is very pale if anyone can lead me in the right direction, i have no idea where to begin, my email is autumnbond79@yahoo.com. thanks
Do You Have Gypsy Matches?
Customs and Beliefs of the Roma and Sinti
Some of our customers have been surprised to get Gypsy/Romani population matches in their results for the DNA Fingerprint Test. Typically, these are combined with Middle Eastern and Indian matches due to the Gypsies' historical migrations. Other customers were not surprised at all and called to tell us about the fortuneteller great-grandmother or mysterious ancestor who traveled with the circus. Gypsy heritage is not unheard of among Melungeons. So for those who think they may have Roma/Sinti or Romechal (the term used in the British Isles), we have compiled the following list of customs and beliefs taken from an excellent authority.
Strict monotheism similar to Jews
Keeping the seventh day holy
Lighting candles on the evening of Parashat (Friday)
Blasphemy a sin, as is cursing an elder
Beng (Satan) the enemy of God and of the Roma people
The Evil One called bivuzhó (impure) and bilashó
Code of Law
No social classes, only a division into Roma and Gadje (non-Roma)
A court of justice called Kris (Judiciary Council), composed of clan representatives as judges
Both men and women serving on Kris
Issues between Roma to be judged only by the Kris, not by Gadje
All Roma equal before the eyes of the Kris
Belief in blood revenge and compensatory payment for clan of victim
Banishment from territory of victim’s clan for wrong doing
Forfeiture of protection if banished offender reenters
Roma not even to acknowledge or greet one who is banished
Accursed or banished called mahrimé (impure)
Roma not to ask interest for loans to other Roma, only from Gadje
Sexuality, Marriage and Childbirth
Nudity is taboo, allowed only with a husband and wife
Showing naked legs before an elder disrespectful
Homosexuality an abomination
Not allowed to wear clothes of the opposite sex, even as a joke or disguise
Virginity before marriage essential
Tokens of virginity shown to the assembly after wedding
Prostitution strongly condemned
Incest taboo, defined in the same way as Mosaic law (including step-siblings and in-laws)
Permissible to marry your cousin
Members of the Kris must be married
Lack of a spouse makes a man or woman incomplete
Groom’s family pays dowry to the bride’s family
Dowry for a widow amounts to half that for a virgin
A man dishonoring a woman should pay the dowry to her family anyway
Runaway couples considered legitimately married
Marriage endogamic, even within the same clan
Clan recognized by a common ancestor within a few generations
Divorce admitted: husband sends wife out or she leaves
Remarriage expected after divorce
Levirate law practiced (Deut. 25:5-6)
Childbirth impure, must take place outside the home
Mother giving birth isolated with baby for seven days strictly, followed by 33 days of less strict isolation (cf. Lev. 12:2, 4-5)
New mother cannot show herself in public or attend religious services
Both sexes marrying very young (child marriage)
Funeral and Mourning Rituals
Dead to be buried intact (autopsy or cremation sacrilegious)
Close relatives of the dead impure for seven days
Not to touch a dead body
Family and relatives of deceased forbidden to bathe, comb their hair, cut their nails for three days
On third day after a death, relative must wash thoroughly, and then not again until seventh day
All food in house where a person died is thrown away as defiled
On third day after a death, the house is purified (“the ashes of the burning of the sin”) and a virgin sprinkles running water
The same ceremony repeated on the seventh day after a death, with food brought to the mourners from another dwelling place
Mourners stay at home
Sitting on low stools
Covering mirrors
Not using oils or perfumes or cosmetics
Not wearing new clothes
Not listening to loud music
Not taking photographs or watching television
Not painting, cooking, and cannot greet people
Day mourning extended after seventh day remembrance ceremony until thirtieth day
Another remembrance ceremony on thirtieth day, closing the strict mourning period
Beliefs in Afterlife
Death is final, no reincarnation or return
Soul goes to Paradise or Hell
Purity and Impurity
Concept of marimé (similar to kashrut)
Lower body and things associated with it impure
Sleeping regarded as an impure state
Not to greet anyone upon waking until washed
Disrespectful to greet anyone in an impure state
Dogs and cats impure
Horses, donkeys or riding animal impure
Carnivorous animals impure
Avoidance of horseflesh
Shoes, pants, hose, skirts, trousers, etc. impure
The camp pure
Restrooms built outside the home
Clothes for the lower body and menstruating women washed separately
Dishes washed in a different place from clothes
Other Practices
Custom of mangel, asking for favors from Gadje
Painting doorposts of dwelling with animal blood to protect against angel of death
Invoking the Prophet Elijah, particularly when seeing lightening or hearing thunder
Firstborn son considered a special blessing to the family
Wearing of whiskers
Left hand related to the public domain (Gadje), impure
Separate dishes and cups for Gadje
Only eating ritually slaughtered animals
Slander considered very a very serious offense, worth taking to Kris
Lack of belief in divination (contrary to general view of Gypsies)
Practice of Tarot cards and crystal balls for Gadje only
Having a Gypsy name besides a civil name
Names that are Hebrew, Greek, Russian, Spanish, Hungarian, Persian, never Indian or Hindu
Beef a favorite food
Interest in bullfighting
Middle Eastern music and dance with zithers, etc. (Flamenco in Spain)
Fingernails and toenails filed with an emery board, not a clipper
Going to a church called Filadelfia (Brotherhood)
Claiming to be Egyptian in origin
Making pilgrimages to the burial places of your ancestors
Source: Abraham Sándor, “Comparison of Romany Law with Israelite Law and Indo-Aryan Traditions”
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Donald Yates commented on 18-Sep-2010 01:39 PM
Thank YOU, Shari, for this long comment. Actually, it was your emails that inspired me to research the true history of the Gypsies. Great idea about a Gypsy Forum on DNA Communities. I have a Gypsy modal DNA profile I can post. Would you consider being a co-moderator with Kim de Beus?
Shari commented on 19-Sep-2010 05:06 PM
Thanks so much for, “Do You Have Gypsy Matches?” It’s fascinating reading. My U.S. Gypsy-Roma great-grandparents were quite religious, I believe Baptist. Mom’s grandparents were “Genetic Gypsies,” not cultural Gypsies. My guess is that they were either “Silent Gypsies,” covering up their ethnicity, or they didn’t know about it. (They emigrated to the U.S. in the 1880s and later owned farms.)
In the Shetland Islands mainland these ancestors’ occupations were the typical fishing and farming. Their family naming patterns were traditionally Scottish. Most likely, early on, their ancestors adopted typical Scottish names and ways of life, passing these on to their descendants. In Scotland, Gypsies were persecuted, imprisoned, banished to other lands and even put to death if they didn’t conform.
Some or most of Mom’s maternal grandparents’ earlier Gypsy-Roma ancestors migrated from Aberdeen, Scotland to the Shetland mainland. Mother’s test also revealed DNA matches with people in Glasgow, Scotland - assuming Gypsy-Roma. Besides DNA, there are other clues that they were Gypsy-Roma. One clue is that one of our ancestor’s surnames - FEA - is a common Gypsy surname - http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/fealty.
During Internet searches I’ve found historical as well as current information about Gypsy-Roma. There are websites originating in England and Scotland as well as many sites reviewing ancient Gypsy history (some timelines) of migration from India to most European countries.
As I understand it, almost all researchers (such as Iovita in “Reconstructing the Origins and Migrations of Diasporic Populations: The Case of the European Gypsies,” the source cited by you, Don, in Mom’s DNA report) have concluded that Gypsy-Roma originated in India; and before that, Southeast Asia is mentioned. Only one site by Abraham Sandor (your source for your Gypsy blog entry) makes the argument that Gypsy-Roma did not originate in India, but instead in Mesopotamia, later migrating to India before beginning their European migrations - http://www.imninalu.net/Roma_map.htm. .
The records of early Gypsies in England and Scotland seem mostly to recount arrests, trials, banishment and being put to death - drowning and otherwise. In Europe a popular punishment was cutting off ears! Most early treatment described in European history is appalling. Estimates of up to 500,000 Gypsy-Roma individuals were killed by the Nazis in World War II.
There are few Internet accounts of Gypsy-Roma in the U.S. One website presents basic genealogical information - some Gypsy surnames and YDNA test descriptions for male descendants of known Gypsy-Roma persons banished (1600s-1700s) to the U.S. Southwest, South America and other lands (Peter Wilson Coldham books).
“Famous Gypsies” websites can be found on the Internet. Alternatively, there are vitriolic (sometimes downright racist) posts and sites about Gypsy-Roma. One is a U.S. police website giving an overview of Gypsy “criminals.” There are criminals in all ethnic groups who need to be caught and punished appropriately.
There is such a disconnect for me here. My mother’s grandparents and great aunt and great uncle raised lovely families and we descendants are very nice people! I’m certain that’s true of the overwhelming majority of Gypsy-Roma as well as “Genetic Gypsy-Roma.” No matter the ethnic group, people only wish to raise decent, happy children who grow up to be responsible, caring adults in our society.
With (mostly) dark skin and hair, colorful dress, “different” behaviors (including that of “traveling”) and with no country of their own, the Gypsies were forced to find safe “home places,” not easy to do in lands already occupied. The Gypsy-Roma were persecuted for centuries.
Today Gypsies live all over the world, still often enduring various forms of persecution. I believe these people have survived as well as can be expected under extreme circumstances. Some resigned themselves to or have been forced to take on the life styles of their resident neighbors to stop the persecution. Now some of us are discovering for the first time that we have various amounts of “Gypsy-Roma” DNA.
Gypsies could certainly use more positive “press,” so I’d like to make a request to be considered. Would DNA Consultants be willing to include a fifth posting category - “Gypsy-Roma” - along with Europe, Melungeons, Native American and World? Gypsy-Roma deserve more positive representation and something like this would certainly help.
I’m proud of my Gypsy great-grandparents. They sacrificed and worked hard to establish homes in the U.S., ensuring easier lives for their descendants.
I enjoyed “Do You Have Gypsy Matches” and am very pleased with Mom’s DNA Fingerprint Plus test. It will definitely enrich Mom’s family history (that I’m in the process of writing)! Thanks to DNA Consultants for a great service.
Shari
Shari Van Enkevort commented on 20-Sep-2010 09:45 AM
Looking forward to seeing the Gypsy modal DNA profile on the new Gypsy Forum at DNA Communities.
Shari Van Enkevort commented on 22-Sep-2010 02:13 PM
Don, thanks for the invitation to become a co-moderator with Kim, you and others on the new Roma (Gypsy) Forum that is now up and running in the DNA Consultants Communities site. This will be an important positive source for those of us who wish to exchange information and increase our knowledge about Roma (Gypsies) - DNA and history.
Abraham's Children: A Review
Implications for Jewish History and Genealogy
Article: Gil Atzmon et al., “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry,” The American Journal of Human Genetics 86 (June 11, 2010) 850-859.
This blog posting attempts to summarize this important article and translate its technical results into layman’s language for the sake of our customers. From the genetic evidence, we hope to glean some useful information about Jewish history and genealogy, especially for those who find they have “some” Jewish ancestry in their family tree but who are non-Jewish in the way they identify.
The eleven authors represent a stellar team of international researchers specializing in population genetics. The institutions involved are leading centers of genetics and biomedicine, starting with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York and including Tel-Aviv University in Israel. Appearance in the American Journal of Human Genetics, a publication of the American Society of Human Genetics, assures prestige and finality of the highest order.
The study uses a new sample of 237 carefully qualified Jewish subjects, which it compares with data from the Human Genome Diversity Project started at Stanford in the 1990s, as well as the Population Reference Sample (PopRes) project, containing hundreds of thousands of SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms, used to differentiate genes that show heredity lines and disease linkage in populations).
The scale of the project is colossal, and it must have taken years to complete. Financial support came from private and public sources, including the U.S.-Israel Binational Science Foundation and NIH. It supersedes (while it confirms or clarifies) the two types of previous approaches to the problem: 1) genetics studies on blood groups from the 1970s, and 2) recent studies of Y chromosomal and mitochondrial haplotypes. The latter “uniparental” studies could only offer a limited view of the subject. This study uses autosomal DNA to its full advantage. The scientists had supercomputers and the latest tools in biostatistics at their disposal.
Material and Methods
The two cornerstones of any statistical study are reliability and validity. Experts would be challenged to find anything wrong with the reliability of “Abraham’s Children.” State-of-the-science genotyping, phylogeny, bootstrapping and GERMLINE algorithms are employed. But validity issues may be mentioned as likely to call some of the findings into slight question in some areas. Subjects were recruited in New York (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian and Ashkenazi Jews), Seattle (Turkish Sephardic Jews), Greece (Greek Sephardic Jews) and Rome (Italian Jews). The main divisions into Italian, Ashkenazi, Syrian, Middle Eastern (termed Mizrahi, or Eastern, Jews here) can be seen in some instances to be question-begging, and there are equivocations in labels that might, conceivably, create “desired results.” Moreover, subjects “were included only if all four grandparents came from the same Jewish community.” Such a rule might have influenced one of the findings, namely, that “Jewish Communities Show High Levels of IBD,” or Informative By Descent shared segments of DNA (p. 855f.).
Notably, the conclusion that Ashkenazi Jews are highly inbred, with most being as close as 3rd or 4th cousins to each other, could be an effect of the sample selection from New York Ashkenazi Jews, who often emigrated together and belonged to the same synagogue for several generations. A larger, more randomized selection would have been better. The total number of Ashkenazi Jews used was only 34 persons.
Jews now living in Rome are not the same as Roman Jews. Traditional schemes of Jewry speak of the Romaniot Jews, but these were traditionally at home in the Byzantine Empire. Are Syrian Jews mostly Middle Eastern or are they another amalgam of émigrés and remnants? Where are Central Asian Jews like the large Uzbekistani population my local barber represents? The absence of Caucasian and Central Asian Jews may have affected the study’s rather resounding, over-confidant statement that it “refutes” the contention that Ashkenazi Jews have little Middle Eastern heritage and rather more of a contribution to their genetics from Khazars and Slavs. The study, like many, seems at pains to prove Middle Eastern connections of Ashkenazi Jews, who are the leading force in present-day Israel.
There are no German, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese or English Jews in the study. “Ashkenazi” seems to represent Jews living in New York with rather uniform ancestry in Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Lithuania and Russia. All Jews in the study seem to be of the “go to temple” (at least on the High Holy Days) sort, although no mention is made of religious orientation. Subjects were chosen because of their ostensibly “pure” Jewish roots.
Ashkenazi Jews at Yom Kippur in 19th century Central Europe from a painting by Gottlieb.
Seven Jewish population clusters are defined:
- Irani Jews
- Iraqi Jews
- Syrian Jews
- Ashkenazi Jews
- Italian Jews
- Greek Jews
- Turkish Jews
These were sorted out into three major groups of the Jewish Diaspora:
- Eastern European Ashkenazim
- Italian, Greek and Turkish Sephardim
- Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian Middle Easterners
How Different are Jews from Each Other? From Non-Jewish Populations?
Table 1 on page 853 shows Fst values, which indicate the degree of projected inbreeding within a cluster and allow one to make comparisons between clusters. If we look at the table of genetic diversity among Jews, we can pick out some of the following points of interest:
- Ashkenazi Jews are very, very different genetically from Italian (Sephardic) Jews: genetic distance between the two populations is over 3.1, whereas that between Ashkenazi Jews and non-Jewish European populations such as Russian or French hardly ever goes above 1.0.
- Syrian and Iraqi Jews are also very different from each other; Syrian Jews group together with European (Ashkenazi and Sephardic) Jews, a major finding of the study.
- All Jewish populations, including Ashkenazim, resemble genetically the Druze, a Middle Eastern population that is still in its original place in Lebanon and Israel. Syrian and Turkish Jews (Sephardim) most resemble Druzes.
The study identifies two major groups of Jews, characterizing them as Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. Of the Middle Eastern Jews, the Irani and Iraqi were scarcely distinguishable. The Europeans have varying degrees of admixture with non-Jewish populations into which they have been dispersed. European Jews are 20-40% (or on another page, 30-60%) European, the study concludes, while Sephardic Jews have 8-11% North African (Berber) DNA. Italian, Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi Jews are the most inbred.
All these statistics “highlight the commonality of Jewish origin” and expose the Middle Eastern origins and genetic unity of Jewish people, even in dispersal from their homeland in ancient Israel.
The flipside of inbreeding is outbreeding or exogamy. If European Jews are highly admixed, by the same token, many Europeans must have some degree of Jewish admixture. Gene flow did not go just one way. What are the most outbred Jewish clusters according to the study? It is the Sephardic Jews from Italy, Greece and Turkey, with low rates of shared IBD and greater diversity than the Ashkenazim.
Lost Tribes Still Lost
The brief Discussion section at the end of the article attempts to put the statistical findings together with an outline of Jewish history and resolve some of the mysteries of Jewish genetic makeup, chiefly the Khazar question. “Each of the Jewish populations formed its own cluster as part of the larger Jewish cluster,” the authors conclude. “Each group demonstrated Middle Eastern ancestry and variable admixture with European populations.”
Next, the authors attack the difficulty of determining when the major split between Eastern and Western Jewish groups occurred (with Syrians falling out with the Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the West, although intermediate in genetic distance with Middle Eastern Jews like the Iraqi and Irani). Based on IBD or calculations of shared genes on the front end or bottlenecks and back end or genetic drift, “a split between Middle Eastern Iraqi and Iranian Jews and European/Syrian Jews…is 100-150 generations [or] 2500 years ago.” They correlate this population divide with the Babylonian and Persian periods of Jewish history. These disturbances began in the 900s-800s BCE when the Kingdom of David fell apart into the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Northern Kingdom (Samaria , Israel, Ephraim) and were finalized in the 6th century BCE when King Cyrus of Persia granted permission to the exiles to be repatriated from Babylon to Jerusalem.
In the shuffle, the so-called Lost Tribes representing the Northern Kingdom had been dispersed “beyond the river” into Central Asia, leaving the Judeans in the ascendancy in Israel. Although the authors do not explicity state it, the fact that Syrian Jews are several quantums’ length closer in affinity with European Jews than Middle Eastern Jews seems to reflect the historic Return to Zion and inauguration of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in 516 BCE and explain why European Jews, especially Sephardim, emphasize the House of David and Tribes of Levi in their traditional ancestral accounts. So far, the autosomal clock of change seems to beat with the march of history.
Khazar kingdom in the Middle Ages.
The article is clear about another thing, “the idea of non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestry in the formation of the European/Syrian Jewish groups,” attributing this to the mass conversions and proselytism during Greco-Roman times. It mentions that there were six million Jews in the Roman Empire, when Judaism accounted for 10% of the population. But here is where the authors’ sense of history begins to get fuzzy. They do not speak of medieval conversions or mention, for instance, the Jews of Visigothic and Berber Spain and Septimanian France and gloss over the huge Khazar conversion and expansion event, 600-1000 CE. Again, medieval history does not seem to be geneticists’ strength.
“Abraham’s Children” claims that the genetic composition of European/Syrian Jewish groups “is incompatible with theories that Ashkenazi Jews are for the most part the direct lineal descendants of converted Khazars or Slavs” (857). In this brief sentence are a number of fallacies, special pleading, misnomers, false assumptions, sleights of hand, straw arguments and equivocations. This blog posting can only touch on the controversy, but to begin with, as we have seen, Ashkenazi Jews (n=34, all from New York) are lumped together with Sephardim and Syrian Jews as having Middle Eastern core pedigrees, even though they have the highest amount of local population admixture. Are Khazars the same as Slavs? Not ethnographically. They are sometimes treated as Middle Easterners and sometimes as Europeans or other interlopers in this article, but it doesn’t seem to matter really, because there are no Khazars in the study sample. The authors are thus stalking a phantom, which they duly track down and slay.
Ghost in the Machine
Using haplogroup studies, the authors raise the possibility of 12.5% non-Middle Eastern admixture per generation in Ashkenazi Jews (based on Hammer et al.). They also draw attention to the 7.5% frequency of haplogroup R1a1 among Ashkenazi Jews, a non-Middle Eastern, rather Eastern European male lineage. But R1a1 is not diagnostic of Khazars; try maybe G. R1a1 descendants are typically fair haired and light-eyed; Khazars had a Middle Eastern, Turkic appearance, with dark features.
In a sense, geneticists always seem to find support for what they set out to prove in the first place. It is small wonder that “Abraham’s Fathers” comes at the end of and completes a decades-long push by Big Science to legitimize Jewish claims to Middle Eastern roots. It is a splendid survey, the last in a long series, but it is not the final word on the subject. There are flaws both in the sampling and historical thinking.
The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) by Arthur Koestler, a Hungarian Ashkenazi Jewish author, advanced the thesis that the modern Jewish population in Central and Eastern Europe is not descended from the historical Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars. This Turkic people of the Caucasus region converted to Judaism in the 8th century and moved into Russia, Hungary, Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania and Germany during the 12th and 13th century when the Khazar Empire was collapsing. Koestler's work was founded on that of the French scholar Ernest Renan and set off a firestorm of controversy among Zionists.
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Signs of Crypto-Jewish Heritage
List Proven to Work in Part Also for Melungeon, Cherokee Family History
As part of our series on Jewish ancestry, we reproduce below an appendix from the forthcoming book, Star, Crescent and Cross: Jews and Muslims in Colonial America, by Elizabeth C. Hirschman and Donald N. Yates.
Rituals and Practices of the Secret Jews of Portugal
The following is an incomplete list of practices that may be indicative of Jewish origin among Anusim or secret Jews or former Jewish families in the New World today.
Told one is Jewish explicitly by parents, grandparents, or other relatives, a boy when he turns 13, a girl at 12.
Having Jewish family names: Duran, Lopez, etc.
Secret synagogues; secret prayer groups.
New Mexico Crypto-Jews. Newsweek.
Avoiding church.
Churches without icons.
Lighting candles on Friday night when the first star appears.
Clean house and clothes for Shabbat.
Not allowed to do anything Friday night (not even wash hair).
El Dia Puro (Yom Kippur).
Celebrating a spring holiday.
Fasts: three days of Tanit Esther; every Monday and Thursday, fast of Gedalia.
Venerating Jewish saints, with celebrations: Santa Esterika, Santo Moises, etc.
Eight candles for Christmas.
Circumcision; consecration on eighth day (avoiding circumcision because that would bind child to the laws of Moses.
Biblical first names, like Esther.
Women taught Tanakh and ruled on questions.
Married under huppah/canopy.
Rending of garments; burial within one day; covering mirrors; spigots in cemeteries.
Seven days, then one year, of mourning.
Tombstones bearing Hebrew names, designations such as “daughter of Israel,” and Jewish symbols (hand pointing to a star, open book of life, torah, star of David).
Possessing talit and tefillin, mezuzot, Tanakh, siddurim other Jewish objects.
Sweeping the floor away from the door (to avoid defiling mezuzah).
Having Cabalistic knowledge and practices.
Ritual slaughter (special knives, tested on hair or nails); covering blood with sand; removing sinew.
Purging, soaking, salting, boiling meat.
Avoiding pork and shellfish and other non-kosher foods (squirrel, rabbit).
Avoiding blood; throwing out eggs with bloodspots.
Avoiding red meat in general.
Waiting between meat and milk.
Eating only food prepared by mother or maternal grandmother.
Adapted from Professor Eduardo Mayone Dias
Department of Spanish and Portuguese
Los Angeles, California
Birth Rituals
To place a rooster’s head over the door of the room where the birth will occur.
After the birth the mother must not uncover herself or change clothes for 30 days.
To throw a silver coin into the baby’s first bath water, especially a son’s.
To say a prayer eight days after birth in which the baby’s name is included.
Belief that the fairies (hadas) preside over a naming ceremony at birth
Wedding Rituals
Only home weddings.
To fast on the wedding day (both bride and groom, as well as two male friends of the groom and two female friends of the bride).
To bind the bride and groom’s hands with a white cloth while a prayer is said.
To follow the wedding ceremony with a light meal consisting of a glass of wine, salt, bitter herbs, honey, an apple and unleavened bread.
At the wedding ceremony bride and groom eat and drink out of the same plate and glass.
Marrying your brother’s widow (Levirate law).
Funeral Rituals
To have ritual meals to which a beggar is invited and serve the food the deceased liked best.
To throw away all water in the home of the deceased.
To leave furniture overturned to show how a relative’s death has upset the family.
To appear disheveled and careless about your own appearance during mourning.
To go to the deceased’s room for eight days and say: May God give you a good night. You were once like us, we will be like you.
Not to shave for 30 days after the death of a relative.
Not to eat meat for one week after a death in the family, then fast on the anniversary.
Naming Rituals
Having two names, a private one in Hebrew (kinnui, e.g. Moses) and public one in the vernacular (Morris). Others: Jacob/James, Raphael/Ralph, Hannah/Johannah, Adina/Adelaide.
Allusions to mascots of Hebrew tribes like deer (Naphthali) and wolf (Levi).
Belief in being descended from the Biblical King David.
Naming after religious objects: Paschal, Menorah.
Translating Hebrew names, especially girls’: Hannah into Grace, Esther into Myrtle, Peninah into Pearl, Roda into Rose, Shoshannah into Lillian, Lily. Simchah into Joy, Tikvah into Hope, Tzirrah into Jewel, Golda into Goldie.
Allusions to Jacob’s blessing of his sons and grandsons, e.g. Fishel for Ephraim because he was to multiply like the fish of the sea.
Use of Hebrew, but non-biblical names (e.g., Meir, Hayyim, Omar, Tamarah/Demarice).
Use of names from Jewish legend and folklore (e.g. Adinah, Edna, Adel, progenitress of the tribe of Levi).
Use of hypocoristic or pet names within the family alluding to Hebrew ones, for instance Zack or Ike for Isaac, Robin (Rueben) instead of Robert.
Adding the theophoric suffix -el to surnames, e.g., Lovell, Riddell, Tunnel.
Naming after a living relative, preferably the eldest born after the grandfather or grandmother, the next born after uncles and aunts and only after the father when these names are exhausted (Sephardic) or naming only after dead relatives (Ashkenazic).
Use of double names like Edward Charles and James Robert.
Changing the name of a child who becomes ill to foil the angel of death.
Giving a child an amuletic name like Vetula (“old woman”) to bring long life.
Favoring names that begin with Lu- to remind the child that the family was once Portuguese (Lusitanian): Louise, Luanne, etc.
Belief in gematria (numerology of names, determined by Hebrew alphabet)
Avoiding saint’s names (Paul, Peter, Barbara) and using Marianne or Mariah instead of Mary.
Jokes about the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary
Using names like Christopher or Christina to dispel doubts about conversion to Christianity.
Knowing whether your family belongs to the Kohanim (priestly caste), Levite (House of David) or Israelite (all the rest) division of Jews.
Other
Swearing an oath with your hat on.
Not mentioning the name of God. Writing it G*d.
Washing your hands before prayer.
A father blessing a son in public.
Saying grace after the meal.
Bowing and bobbing during religious service.
Jokes about the central tenets of Christianity (Immaculate Conception of Mary, rising from the dead of Jesus, etc.).
Deriding idolatry of saints and ornate decor of churches.
Hatred of the pope.
Preparing Saturday’s meal (often a slow-cooking stew, for instance of eggplant) on Friday afternoon so no work is performed on the Sabbath.
Eating preferably fruits that grow in the land of Israel (dates, olives, oranges, grapes, peaches etc.).
Spreading sand from Israel on a grave or in a sanctuary.
Eating tongue on Rosh Hashanah to symbolize head of the year.
Having Bibles containing only the Old Testament and prayer books consisting only of the Psalms.
Having pictures of rabbis and scholars rather than saints in the sanctuary.
Performing tashlich, letting old clothes float away in running stream to mark a new year.
Forgiving a debt on Yom Kippur.
Facing Jerusalem during rituals.
Uttering brief blessings when you see lightning, mountains and other natural wonders.
Using only percussion instruments like the tambourine and hand clapping in services.
Silent prayer by congregation after prayers made out loud.
Worship services in the home.
Having 11 elders in a place of worship (minyam).
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Jewish Marker II Characteristic of Ashkenazi Jews
Since the spate of Jewish genetic studies appearing this summer, reports in the media have announced that nearly all Ashkenazi Jews descend from only four women, and that if you are Ashkenazi you are likely to be no farther distant in kinship than fifth or sixth cousins from any other Ashkenazi Jew (for instance, your spouse). The DNA Fingerprint Plus marker called Ashkenazi Jewish II (or simply Jewish II) often occurs in the panels of Ashkenazi Jews (and their spouses) in pairwise fashion, meaning both parents carried it, a further indication of consanguinity in this population.
In forensic studies, Jewish II occurs in its double-pure form in about one-fourth of the sample, consisting of 178 nominally unrelated Jews living in Budapest, Hungary. Like all alleles, it is found in other populations, but on a world population match basis, aside from some random Asian and Native American populations, it is most common in Hungarian Ashkenazim and least common in Arabs and Egyptian Muslims (study 111). These statistics underline a division historically along religious lines in which Jews tended to marry other Jews and Muslims other Muslims.
On an informal basis, Jewish II was also observed in pedigree-related comparisons of Ashkenazi Jews who numbered among DNA Consultants' customers. Those who reported the strongest "line-bred" genealogies in Central and Eastern Europe typically also carried Jewish II from both parents.
Unidentified Ashkenazi Jewish violinist. Library of Congress.

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Sarah James commented on 17-Sep-2010 02:06 PM
This is fascinating. I have just re-checked my own data for Jewish II, and found I haven't inherited this from either parent. Given that 1 in 4 Ashkenazim matches have the double inheritance pattern, do we know the rate for single inheritance?
Also, what is known about the significance of Jewish Markers I and III, by comparison with II? I have double-inheritance for Jewish III, and single inheritance for Jewish I (from Parent 1).
Other autosomal-testing companies (not that I've used them, just snooped!) state the gender of the two alleles: is it possible to determine whether Parent 1 represents the maternal of paternal parent? For Jewish inheritance reasons this is of additional interest. Knowing this would also greatly enlighten or enhance genealogical records, especially for clients whose ancestors may have been crypto-Jews.
Gail Vass commented on 15-Dec-2010 06:29 PM
Sarah James, like you, I would like to know about the significance of Jewish Marker III. I also have a double-inheritance for that marker.
Now Come Jewish Autosomal DNA Studies
Two major research articles on Jewish DNA appeared in June. As reported by Nicolas Wade in the New York Times in an article titled "Studies Show Jews' Genetic Similarity," they settle an old controversy. One of the surveys of genomic or autosomal DNA was conducted by Gil Atzmon of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Harry Ostrer of New York University and appears in the American Journal of Human Genetics. The other, led by Doron M. Behar of the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa and Richard Villems of the University of Tartu in Estonia, is published in the journal Nature.
The two teams reached similar conclusions independently and
simultaneously. Their findings refute the long-standing contention that
Jews “have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe
and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.”
One of the articles, published online June 9, and in print July 8, was "The Genome-Wide Structure of the Jewish People," (Nature 466, 238-42). The editors' summary for it goes like this:
A comparison of genomic data from 14 Jewish communities across the world with data from 69 non-Jewish populations reveals a close relationship between most of today's Jews and non-Jewish populations from the Levant. This fits in with the idea that most contemporary Jews are descended from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents of the Levant. By contrast, the Ethiopian and Indian Jewish communities cluster with neighbouring non-Jewish populations in Ethiopia and western India, respectively. This may be partly because a greater degree of genetic, religious and cultural crossover took place when the Jewish communities in these areas became established.
An abstract for the other article mentioned by the New York Times, "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era," is given as follows by the publisher, The American Journal of Human Genetics:
For more than a century, Jews and non-Jews alike have tried to define the relatedness of contemporary Jewish people. Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations. However, these and successor studies of monoallelic Y chromosomal and mitochondrial genetic markers did not resolve the issues of within and between-group Jewish genetic identity. Here, genome-wide analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi) and comparison with non-Jewish groups demonstrated distinctive Jewish population clusters, each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations, and variable degrees of European and North African admixture. Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Rapid decay of IBD in Ashkenazi Jewish genomes was consistent with a severe bottleneck followed by large expansion, such as occurred with the so-called demographic miracle of population expansion from 50,000 people at the beginning of the 15th century to 5,000,000 people at the beginning of the 19th century. Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared IBD genetic threads.
Critics of the new research findings point out that there are still no known markers for Jewish ancestry in genomic DNA. They obviously are not among our customers, however, since those who have purchased the 18 Marker Ethnic Panel available since last year are routinely screened for Jewish I, Jewish II and Jewish III. Their locations on genomic DNA were discovered by the company last August.
A Jewish genetic signature expressed in terms of autosomal DNA was predicted last year in a study titled, "A Genome-Wide Genetic Signature of Jewish Ancestry Perfectly Separates Individuals with and without Full Jewish Ancestry in a Large Random Sample of European Americans," by Ann C. Need et al. (Genome Biology 2009, vol. 10). That study spoke of "near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry." Interestingly, it also foresaw that "the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern [i.e. Middle Eastern] origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks." [American usage favors "Middle East" over the British and outdated "Near East" still retained in academia.]
A final study of Jewish autosomal DNA that deserves mentioning is "Genomic Microsatellites Identify Shared Jewish Ancestry Intermediate between Middle Eastern and European Populations," published also last year in BMC Genetics, vol. 10, by Naama M. Kopelman et al. It used 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals, but what is proven on a large scale seems equally true on the small scale of our three Jewish markers based on microsatellites forming part of your DNA fingerprint.
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Autosomal DNA Testing is Newest Wave
DNA Consultants’ 18 Marker Ethnic Panel Reveals Native American, Jewish, Other Hard-to-Find Lines in Your Family Tree
PHOENIX – (April 7, 2010) – The market leader in autosomal DNA testing for ancestry, DNA Consultants announced that it has introduced the latest enhancement to its DNA Fingerprint Test™ ancestry tool. The add-on to its popular all-in-one ancestry tracing product is called the 18 Marker Ethnic Panel and sells for $50.00.
“With the 18 Marker Ethnic Panel, you can easily verify Native American, Ashkenazi Jewish, African and other ethnic lines that may be hidden in your family tree,” said Donald Yates, the company’s founder and principal scientist. “If you get a check mark for Native American marker I or II from either parent, you have Native American ancestry…it’s that simple.”
Like the DNA Fingerprint Test upon which it is based, the 18 Marker Ethnic Panel uses the same unique DNA profile familiar from television police shows like CSI. The markers were discovered by the company last August after statistical validation showing they reflected population splits in early human migrations.
“We’re not talking about ancient history,” said Yates. “These markers reflect recent genetic contributions to your overall ethnic mix within a relatively shallow time frame of about the last ten generations.” The reason, he said, was that Native American and the other types of DNA are “so distinctive their genetic signature lasts and never completely goes away.”
The 18 Markers include tell-tale evidence for Native American, Mediterranean, East European, Ashkenazi Jewish, Sub-Saharan African, Asian and several other definitive ethnic groups.
“The test doesn’t tell you how much of that ancestry you have,” Yates added. “It only tells you if you have it, even if it is a minor line.” The panel also reports whether you have a given ethnic heritage from one parent or both.
To obtain the 18 Marker Ethnic Panel you must first order or submit results from a DNA Fingerprint Test. The core test is a comprehensive analysis of all your ancestral lines and gives you matches to populations and countries around the world where you have accumulations of ancestry. It sells for $250.00. Combined with the new 18 Marker Ethnic Panel, the test is called DNA Fingerprint Plus and costs $300.00.
Order online at dnaconsultants.com or call toll free 1-888-806-2588.
For more information, maps and sample report, visit DNA Consultants’ product page for the DNA Fingerprint Plus at:
http://dnaconsultants.com/_product_60282/DNA_Fingerprint_Plus.
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DNA Consultants’ complete and total ancestry analysis is based on human prehistory but detects recent ethnic contributions to your DNA.

Donald Yates discovered
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NATIVE AMERICAN I |
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NATIVE AMERICAN II (Hispanic) |
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EUROPEAN I ( Mediterranean ) |
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EUROPEAN II |
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EASTERN EUROPEAN I |
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EASTERN EUROPEAN II |
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ASHKENAZI JEWISH I |
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ASHKENAZI JEWISH II |
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ASHKENAZI JEWISH III |
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TATAR/KHAZAR |
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ASIAN I |
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ASIAN II |
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SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN I |
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SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN II |
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SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN III |
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SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN IV |
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AUSTRALOID/SOUTHEAST ASIAN |
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FINNIC/URALIC |
Ethnic admixture markers included in the DNA Fingerprint Plus 18 Marker Ethnic Panel range from Native American to Sub-Saharan African.
Press Release dated April 7, 2010
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Bradshaw Foundation, Stephen Oppenheimer, INORA
www.bradshawfoundation.com
| The Bradshaw Foundation until now has been discovering, documenting and preserving ancient rock art around the world. In October 2004 it received the Science & Technology Web Award 2004 (Anthropology and Paleontology) from Scientific American Magazine. The award coincides with the launch of the Bradshaw Foundation's latest development on its website: "The Journey of Mankind -The Peopling of the World". The Foundation has created an interactive map charting the global journey of modern humans over the last 160,000 years. It demonstrates the interactions of migration with climate over this period. Based on a synthesis of the mtDNA and Y chromosome evidence with archaeology; climatology and fossil study; Stephen Oppenheimer has tracked the routes and timing of migration, placing them in context with ancient rock art around the world. |
Edited by Dr Jean Clottes, Former Director of the Chauvet Research Team, funded (or subsidized, or sponsored) by the Ministère de la Culture and the Département de l’Ariège, the newsletter presents the latest discoveries of rock art from around the world. It provides a platform for discussion and debate of current theories and controversies. It examines past, present and future documentation and dating techniques, and their interpretation. It provides online database sources for related literature. The bound copy contains photography, illustrations and bibliographies.
DNA Consultants customers and especially those who have taken the DNA Fingerprint Test will want to check out these resources for understanding human prehistory posthaste! The Bradshaw genetic journey is far more detailed, absorbing and convincing than National Geographic's National Genographic Project.
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Newest Research Confirms Beachcomber Route to Asia out of Africa
DNA Consultants has always followed Oppenheimer's model of the settlement of Asia, but other companies, including the National Geographic Genographic Project with over 200,000 customers purchasing their product, inform their customers differently. Most human migration maps displayed by DNA companies and the news media show Asians splitting off from Europeans and Native Americans in the northern latitudes of Central Asia and do not depict a southern "beachcomber" route at all.
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Sarah James commented on 11-Dec-2009 01:51 AM
I seem to recall that the debate about the beachcomber and other possible routes has been knocking around in anthopological circles for a while - at least since the 80s when I was studying anthropology in London. What's wonderful is that the beachcomber route has now been verified, but in the meantime one wonders how many NGGP clients, for example, may believe their ancestral migrations differed, and how widely this scientific breakthrough will be dissemintaed in the public media.
But well done DNA Consultants, and congratulations to the HUGO Pan-Asian SNP Consortium!
Dan commented on 11-Dec-2009 08:30 AM
Makes sense really. What would a regular person do other than follow the warm beach. It seems less likely that a person would go to a cold climate and say "aaahhh this is the place" unless the beach was already taken by someone else.
Nancy Sparks Morrison commented on 11-Dec-2009 03:01 PM
Don,
very interesting research. Makes sense. Explains a lot and glad you were able to realize it before most! :-) Good going!
I intend to do the rest of the DNA next year~ Have loved what you found for me so far!
Nancy
M. Moore commented on 15-Dec-2009 01:43 PM
While I can not extend my knowledge or understanding to the level of Sarah James, I can certainly agree with her comment. Very well written and explained. New discoveries or corrected history?
James R Carney commented on 23-Dec-2009 01:05 PM
This is a very interesting finding. As we have studied the coastal settlements in the south for quite sometime, your research has been fascinating and very plausible with the oral traditions of settlement of the Gulf Coast States in pre American (English Atlantic Coast Settlements). In this New DNA Study Science there is much to learn and most is theory. As students of any science, or academics, we must all keep an open mind and allow for discussion of all possibilities, otherwise we might miss the one great aha Moment. Your openness to research is very refreshing and rewarding.
Keep it up
DJ
Bookmakers commented on 30-Mar-2011 01:01 PM
Hello,I love reading through your blog, I wanted to leave a little comment to support you and wish you a good continuation. Wishing you the best of luck for all your blogging efforts
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According to my mother’s Fingerprint Plus DNA test, both of her parents had Jewish I and Jewish III DNA. One parent had Tatar/Khazar DNA (Jewish IV). India was Mom’s Top World Match. Mom’s mother was genetically Roma-Gypsy. To date there is no genealogical
evidence that Mom’s father was either Roma-Gypsy or Jewish. I’m wondering if the combination of Jewish I and Jewish III along with Indian (from India) ancestry is the typical DNA pattern found for persons of Gypsy-Roma ancestry. Perhaps Jewish I and III could
also indicate only Jewish ancestry, a possibility for Mom’s father’s ancestry. Another possibility would be that her father had unconfirmed Gypsy-Roma ancestry. One or the other parent having Jewish IV DNA may provide a clue. I enjoyed reading GYPSY MIGRATIONS.
I’ve also found the following Internet article to be interesting. Dr. Hancock suggests that Romani had “military” beginnings on the basis of his linguistic and historical research: “An examination of the earliest words in the Romani language suggests a number
of things: firstly that there is little in the original, ‘first layer’ Indian vocabulary that reflects a nomadic or itinerant population, but rather it points to a settled one; and secondly that while there are not many original words for e.g. artisan or agricultural
skills, there are quite a few military terms... ” From: ON ROMANI ORIGINS AND IDENTITY, Ian Hancock The Romani Archives and Documentation Center The University of Texas at Austin http://www.radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_b_history_origins&lang=ry&articles=true
"Gypsy DNA can sometimes be conflated or confused with Jewish DNA because both populations originated in the Middle East" I would disagree with this opinion that the Romany originated in the Middle East when we clearly originated in South Asia. India,
Sri Lanka, Nepal, parts of Pakistan. I am of the English Romanichal vista "clan" and the Romanichal vista Y DNA results clearly show a high average of our male population carrying Y Haplo Group H1a, more importantly I am the researcher who discovered the relationship
between marker 425 = 0, null to the Romany H1a male lineages. To date, of all the Romany H1a male lineages identified so far, of all those tested to the 67 marker level, 100% were found carrying this same null value marker mutation in common regardless our
surnames, and regardless which Romany vista "clan" we hail from. Romany of England, Scotland, Hungary, Bulgaria have found Y Haplo H1a with the 425 = 0 marker mutation, which clearly links the Romanichal vista to the Roma vista's of Europe. mt Haplo Group
M5a1 which is also being claimed as South Asian in origin has also recently been discovered amongst the English Romanichal. I am the Admin. of the Y Haplo Group H and Romany DNA projects with FTDNA. To date not a single Asian Y Haplo H1a male has been found
carrying the 425 = 0 marker mutation, this mutation so far is only found among the European Romany male population. And as far as I am concerned, H1a with the 425 = 0 marker mutation = Romany origins. Donald Locke